Lon Jones, Family Medicine Physician and Author

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Saul Marquez:
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Saul Marquez:
Saul Marquez here today. I have the privilege of being with Dr. Lon Jones. Dr. Jones is a board certified osteopathic family physician. He’s interested in what works and has had plenty of experience with things that don’t. Dr. Jones, with Jerry Bozeman, his colleague and wife developed the nasal spray made up of xylitol and saline that assists and stimulates the immune system’s efforts to clean the nose when used regularly. A clean nose prevents many of the medical problems that originate there. This includes allergies and asthma, as well as ear and sinus infections. More information on the product, as well as other uses of xylitol, is also available on a website that will provide in the show notes or in some of the books that he’s written. He and his colleagues No More Allergies, Asthma, or Sinus Infections, published by Freedom Press . Just an incredible opportunity to dive into the thoughts of Dr. Jones today before studying medicine. He spent six years in college and graduate school studying history. A man of my own heart and I asked, I have a history degree with a special interest in the history of science and ideas. He’s confident that his background has influenced the way that he approaches health care and practice of medicine. And today we’re going to be diving into his experience and his findings and how they could benefit you, your patients and your organization. So, Dr. Jones, thank you so much for being with us today.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Thank you for having me.

Saul Marquez:
Absolutely. So we we have a longstanding tradition here on the podcast of before diving into the hot topics, we like to know more about what inspires you and your work in health care. So I love to hear what lets you do your work and what inspires that.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Probably the thing that most inspires me is the functioning of the human body. And like you mentioned before, I went to medical school, I got a masters degree in the history of science and ideas. And one of the incidences in that long and varied history that I looked at was the communication between Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard. And they had a conversation about what causes disease or illness. And Louis Pasteur won the day because he gave us a little invisible microbe to cause disease that we could supposedly obliterate and win and be healthy for the rest of our lives. And ever since then, the mid 19th century, so our medical system has focused on destroying that microbe and we’ve ignored Claude Bernard. Bernard’s argument was that the soil and by the soil he means s where that microbe is planted, has an equally valid role in and causing disease, especially when there’s weaknesses or if they’re not working right.. If those defenses are not work, then we’re more likely to get sick. And that’s been my focus. When I first started practicing, I was reading all kinds of things about cholera and the use of oral rehydration to treat cholera. And cholera doesn’t kill because of the infection. It kills because of the of the responses that our body makes to that bacteria. And people die of dehydration. They don’t die of cholera. The cholera takes so much of the body’s fluid that they die of dehydration.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And oral rehydration is a very simple solution of salt, sugar and water that turns on a pump in your stomach, that pumps the water into your body so that you don’t die of dehydration. It’s a very nice way to drink an I.V. and it’s probably the cheapest, safest, best way to rehydrate your body. There is. And all it is, is a complex mixture of salt and sugar and water. You can find the recipe in the book that you mentioned, or you can look online for oral rehydration recipe and it’ll tell you how to mix it up at home, mix it up for about five cents a gallon. If you buy Pedialyte, which is the closest thing to it, it’ll cost about seven to ten dollars a quart, make it at home. It’s easy and it works and it works because it turns a little pump in your stomach and it pumps it into your body. So if you’re exercising and need extra fluid oral rehydration. Is the best way to do it, if you have a little bit of gastroenteritis, your best treatment is oral rehydration. Wow, that’s fast. Now, that’s how it started. And what oral rehydration does is optimize your GI defense because your GI defense is the washing defense. You throw up, you vomit, you have diarrhea, your GI tract gets cleans out. You get better. If you have enough fluid on board, you can do that very easily and you do get better, faster.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And that was probably the most useful thing in my practice for the first decade or two. And then the thing that prompted the nasal spray that you mentioned was a granddaughter who started getting recurring ear infections. And my wife, a special ed teacher, said, if you really loved kids, you’d find a way to prevent that problem, because in her special ed classes, she sees lots of lots of kids that have had ear infections when they were babies. And those ear infections have turned chronic. And so there is fluid in the middle ear that impairs these kids hearing. And if they go to school when they can’t hear, they don’t learn, then they wind up in her special ed class. So I have enough kids of my own, adopted, foster kids, whatever, and my own that I couldn’t really ignore her demand. So a couple of days after she said that, I read about the finished study in the British Medical Journal where they used chewing gum, which they used in Finland to prevent tooth decay. But if kids chew that gum five times a day, they have 40 percent less ear infections, those ear infections. My granddaughter was too young to chew gum. So ear infections start from bacteria in your nose. We thought it would be a better deal to address it there. So we got some xylitol with the local health food store and put them in a bottle of saline and had mom and dad and daycare workers spray her nose every time they changed their diaper.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And 10 kids like her that I had in my practice that I followed for a year. Their air complaints were gone by. Ninety five percent, in fact, more than ninety five percent over the year that I followed them. So I called the FDA had said I had a really neat way to clean your nose. FDA said we have a Category for nose cleaning. What’s that do?. And I said, well, if your nose is clean, you don’t have your infection for sinus infections, allergies or better. Asthma is better. FDA said then it’s a drug. They have a patent on drugs and drug claims, so I couldn’t make any drug claim. So I went to the pharmaceutical industry. Pharmaceutical industry says, hey, it’s pretty good with tomato, xylitol and saline. Xylitol? You can buy xylitol at the grocery store, can’t you? Yeah. OK, sorry, we’re not interested. We need some we need something we can control and so we can live off of it. So we’ve been selling nose wash for for twenty years and recently my son who took over the manufacturing and distribution and selling and marketing and all that, wanted to find out what it did for the virus and he’s added other stuff to it.

Dr. Lon Jones:
So make it a little bit more complicated. Took it to the laboratory at Utah State University and they look at it and said, hey, this does something to the virus. So we have to take all the parts apart and found out that it was a grapefruit seed extract that they use as a preservative that kills the virus. And so they started doing some research on it. And they’re doing research in southern Florida on that nasal spray to see what it does for the virus. And preliminary reports from that study, anecdotal so far. But when the study is completed, they’ll be a double blind, placebo controlled study. So it’s it’s all the bells and whistles that the FDA wants. But preliminary reports have two people anyway with symptoms and positive tests that are symptom free and test free in seven days. So that’s pretty good. And then there is another study from outside pharmaceuticals and see why you can search that pharmaceutical company and covid and xylitol. And they paid the vials biocontainment laboratory at the University of Tennessee to look at xylitol. Their study was a little bit different because it washed it washed the mixture before they finally counted the virus virus on the end, the end result, and there were not. So xylitol in this case interferes with the adherence of the batch of the virus in our noses. And so you get a one two punch with with this nasal spray and it’s simple, safe.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Twenty years of marketing without any complaints and a lot of success. You can get it at the store, one of these two people in that study had a friend that was in the placebo part of the study. He told the friend about it. His friend went to the store. The blind on the study is better, too. So that’s three of the people that were in that study. And that’s cheating on the study because he should really be still blind and getting sicker. And a problem with it is with the virus now is when somebody does test positive, what do you do, send them home to self quarantine? The virus is multiplying. And, you know, there is no way that anybody is addressing that problem where it is in the early stages. I’ll wait till we’re able to go to the hospital or get better. And a lot of people do get better. But a lot of people have long term problems with this virus. It is not a benign virus. So here’s a way to treat it. You can do it yourself. It is not FDA approved because FDA won’t let us say what’s in it without it being a drug. And it doesn’t want to be a drug because that makes it a hundred times more expensive than what it is. So use your common sense. That’s why we’re commonsense medicine.

Saul Marquez:
I love it. And thank you. Thank you for that, Dr. Jones. Certainly it’s the easy things that can make the biggest impact. And actually, we had we had a physician on the podcast a few months ago, early in the pandemic, and she she certainly called out the rinsing of the nose and even even showed us a video of how to do it with. But it wasn’t with xylitol. So but she talked about the two receptor and how it resides in the nose and the nasal cavity being larger in the in the older adults and the kids, how it’s not yet that developed.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And kids don’t has as many of those receptors either.

Saul Marquez:
In there. Yeah. So, I mean, this is fascinating stuff to me and I’m sure to all of the listeners and viewers right now. And so so as you as you think about the approach, on the one hand, you’ve got pharma telling you, no thanks, it’s not proprietary. We can’t charge an arm and a leg for it. On the other hand, have the FDA telling you this, this is a pharmaceutical you need you need to go the course. But in the middle, it’s basically a product that’s available over the counter. It’s not a drug. It’s it’s available at the grocery store, which you guys have combined it in your own proprietary way and you’re offering it at at a pretty good price. And so talk to us a little bit more about it. Dr. Jones. And really, you had shared and the it was indirect health effects of humidity and indoor environments.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And I wanted to see if maybe you could walk us through that, your your colleague or your person you talked about earlier that said rinse your nose. He’s looking at pretty well known things because we have flu season, cold and flu season in the wintertime. We have that because it correlates with when we turn the furnace on. And when we do that, we drop the available moisture in the air as we warm the air. But don’t humidify. So in wintertime, we’re decreasing the amount of humidity in the air that we breathe and the air that we breathe it is important. And let’s see the slide that I gave you. Sure. There we go. OK, the green shirt, the green area in the middle, that’s the optimum zone. And if you’re in the optimum zone, you don’t have near as many of the problems that you see, whether when the humidity is high on the Right. or low on the left. And so that’s the area between 40 and 60 percent where we developed in our evolutionary history. If we’ve lived outdoors and outdoors, the humidity is always pretty much always higher than it is inside. One of the more interesting stories about this is ear infections in the indigenous people in Alaska. And during my wife and I went there to talk to the Native American people and see if we could do anything about your problem with your infection. So we talked to the Indian Health Service and they weren’t much help. We talked to audiologist and the audiologist told us that they would go out to the communities. And the elders in those communities are really, really old.

Dr. Lon Jones:
People say, you know, we didn’t have any ear infection problems before we got civilized and they got civilized in the fifties when we gave them houses, modular homes to live in with a central heater and took them off the ice so they didn’t have to live in igloos and ice homes anymore. And what that did was drop the humidity in their wintertime. And they live in a very cold environment. So there’s not much humidity in the air anyway. But breathing cold air stimulate systemin, which opens the doors to the vascular so it gets more water in your nose automatically. So they took them out of this environment and put them in these homes that are by far more comfortable and more pleasant, except that they made people they made their kids sick with ear infections. And they have the highest incidence probably in the whole world of their infections, recurrent ear infections. And they’re very common. If you can stay in this Green Zone, you wouldn’t have those ear infections. And if you can increase the humidity where the red oval is, if you can increase the humidity above 50 percent, you don’t have respiratory infections. COVID is a respiratory infection. And that’s one of the reasons xylitol works because it pulls water into your nose just like histamine opens the taps. Except you don’t need to open the taps if you put Xyloto in your nose and it stays in your nose for about six hours. So you’re getting a benefit that lasts for six hours and pulls water into your nose, puts you in the Green Zone. And if you have respiratory infections like the Red Oval says, you won’t have them anymore.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And that’s one reason it works, because it optimizes your nasal defenses by keeping enough fluid in your nose to help those defenses work. And the second way it works is like this study from the University of Tennessee showed. And that is a little bit harder to explain. But microbes hold on to ourselves on the surfaces of those cells and almost always gives to the sugar complexes that are on the surface of our cells that they hold onto. And they know what they’re holding on to because those sugar complexes are pretty stable in their configuration. Early studies looked at E. coli bacteria that causes urinary tract infections. Mantels is the sugar like glucose. They’re a little bit different configuration that mantels is the sugar that those bacteria hold onto. And if you put Manocha in their diet, since most women with urinary tract infections are self infected from their GI tract, it shifts the bacteria to those that do not hang on to mammals. The manof ones are washed out and so you have less problems with urinary infections. Xylitol is not a six carbons sugar like our bodies are used to induce. It’s a five Farbman sugar and it’s flexible. It’s like the pickpocket thing that you can stick in the door and twist and turn and it fits because it’s flexible. It can get into those binding sites on the microbes and it may not be exactly what they’re looking for, that it’ll fit for a while and complicate the issue and those bacteria can hold on.

Saul Marquez:
Yeah, that’s really interesting. And folks, for for those of you that aren’t watching this right now, you’re listening to the podcast. Check out the show notes. You’ll see the chart that we’re taking a look at. But very simply, it goes from zero to one hundred on the horizontal axis. And then there’s this zone from 40 to 60 on a vertical axis. That is the the key zone, the optimum zone that Dr. Jones is calling out here, that it’s key to stay within and and some of the explanations around the sugars and the humidity and make a lot of sense. And so I really think it’s a unique approach on keeping ourselves healthy, where we’re doing a lot of things to keep ourselves healthy, where social distancing. We’re washing hands more than we used to before the pandemic. Keeping your nose clean is another interesting and great way of of doing that. Now wash your hands, but you can wash your nose, too. So talk to us about how that would work. A lot of us, myself included, Dr. Jones, aren’t used to doing that. Talk to us about how we get into that habit and what good could come out of it.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Well, first of all, to realize that it is a habit and it’s something that you should do regularly. But, you know, as as a doctor, I know that if you prescribe a pill four times a day, maybe they’ll take it twice a day and maybe once a day. But it’s hard to get that degree of agreement with people to do something four times a day. But if you’re healthy and you just want to prevent it and put it with your toothbrush, if you’re dealing with a virus actively like our president should be doing right now, I would take it three times every every three hours while you’re awake. I would make sure and wash your notes. You don’t pay attention to me.

Dr. Lon Jones:
He would rather take or whatever it is.

Saul Marquez:
Does he have. I’ve been out of out of the loop by.

Dr. Lon Jones:
HydrocyChloroquine is what he would like to take every three hours,

Saul Marquez:
So he has COVID right now.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Yeah,

Saul Marquez:
OK. All right.

Dr. Lon Jones:
You haven’t paid attention to the news today. I have not tested positive last night.

Saul Marquez:
Is that right? Wow. Wow. There you go.

Dr. Lon Jones:
And his wife.

Saul Marquez:
Oh, my Lord. Well, you know, it’s it’s still here, folks. You know, everybody knows we’re not alarmists, but we’re certainly wanting you to take care of yourself. And and it’s the small things. And keeping something like this by your toothbrush is a is a great way to do it. And we could definitely leave a link for you to explore the option of of this product that Dr. Jones is is sharing with us now. The ingredient is xylitol. But so what what do you call the product, Dr. Jones?

Dr. Lon Jones:
Clear. Clear. Spelled with an X, X are x, l, e r. The pronunciation is from Finland because xylitol in Finnish is pronounced cool. Atwal So I took a Finnish X and made clear.

Saul Marquez:
I love it. Now you were saying that the Finnish actually do this routinely. This is already part of their day to day.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Not so much the nasal spray they know about it,

Saul Marquez:
It was the bubble gumbut.

Dr. Lon Jones:
They use the gum ok got and gum prevents tooth decay. That’s how it all started. Put it put it all in terms of defensive medicine and defensive medicine is honoring and supporting the defenses that we have in there with the defensive or strongest in our GI tract and our respiratory tract, because those are the vulnerable openings to our bodies. And there’s lots of defenses that we have that work there all the time. Unfortunately, the backup defenses are bothersome and our system of medicine has turned them into gastroenteritis and rhinorea, which are diseases that we have medicines to deal with. Dealing with those medicines blocks the defense. And that’s not a wise thing to do when you’re looking at evolutionary defenses.

Saul Marquez:
Yeah, it’s a good call up as you’ve explored this solution. What have been some of the biggest setbacks you’ve experienced and maybe key learnings that have come out of that?

Dr. Lon Jones:
My son Nathan, who has the business now divides up the medical world into healers and dealers and dealers are interested in the profits they can get from medicine. They’re not interested in doing things that make people healthier. They’re not interested in doing things that support our defenses in an inexpensive way so that people don’t get sick. And that’s probably the biggest thorn in my flesh. Is asking doctors to look, because I’ve retired now and I don’t have an office, I don’t have any patients that I see that I can ask my colleagues to use this nasal spray and kids with asthma, for example. And my own experience in kids with asthma is that if they use it four times a day, they don’t have asthma anymore. More about this is in asthma and allergy solution. That’s a new addition to the earlier version that was dealing with ear infections and sinus infections.

Saul Marquez:
Awesome. Fascinating. Well, we’ll make sure to to to put a link to that book wherever you could get it available. It’ll be right there via the link in the show, notes and and yeah, certainly. That’s so interesting. Dealers and healers, that could be the name of a podcast.

Dr. Lon Jones:
I hope you support the healers.

Saul Marquez:
For sure. That’s what we’re about here on the podcast. And so we certainly appreciate your insights. Dr Jones, what are you most excited about today?

Dr. Lon Jones:
Trying to convince people that there’s a cheap solution to our problem.

Saul Marquez:
Yeah, and and that’s why you’re here today. Right. So, folks, as you explore potential options for staying healthy, Dr. Jones even called out asthma. You know, using this for for asthma, take it a few times a day and and then it goes away. I mean, just something worth exploring and it’s natural, so can’t hurt you. So something to certainly consider as we wrap up today’s episode. Dr. Jones, I want to say thank you. Thank you for for sharing this this tremendously valuable insight with with Xlear with an x and give us a closing thought on what we should be thinking about and also where the listeners and viewers could get in touch with you or find out more about Xlear.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Keep your nose clean. When I was a little boy and I was go to school every day, my mom would always send me out the door by saying, keep your nose clean. And I often wondered what she meant by that, whether it was metaphorical or real. But when she was in her nineties, I asked her after we’ve developed this way to keep your nose clean. I asked her what she meant and she told me about a little girl that she went to school with who had chronic renal plus running down her nose all the time. And how much of a stigma it was for that little girl and so it was real. She was very happy in her later years that she had a son that figured out a way to do that. And to take a point from your doctor who said rinse often there is a downside to that, because if you wash your nose or irrigate your nose. One of your primary defenses is all of the friendly bacteria that we have all over our body inside and out. And the primary defense strategy they have is all these no vacancy signs that they hang out for the invaders. And if you irrigate those areas, you’ll watch those good bacteria out. And that’s not a very good thing to do. So tweak your environment and that’s what a nasal spray does to spray is a negligible substance that has a long lasting effect. Beneficial.

Saul Marquez:
Awesome, great, great. Closing thought. And again, just want to offer you. Thanks, Dr. Jones, for spending time with us. Obviously, folks, the things we cover here on the podcast are to improve outcomes and business innovation. And so if you take anything that you heard from today and makes you better, we want to hear about it. And obviously with things like this, consult your doctor before you do it. This is by no way, shape or form considered medical advice from me or the podcast, but certainly grateful for the for the insights that that you’ve offered us. Dr. Jones, thanks for thanks for sharing them today.

Dr. Lon Jones:
Thank you. And when you go visit your doctor, ask him some information from either the book that we talk about or go to Common Sense Medicine and look at the blogs. One of the first blogs on there is talking about an alternative view to the treatment of the virus. And there is information on there that you can print out and take to your doctor and see what the doctor says.

Saul Marquez:
You know, that’s a good call out. It’s common sense medicine.org Almost forgot to give that to folks. So don’t forget to visit commonsensemedicine.org. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Jones. Pleasure to have you here.

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